A Crunchy Convo with Dr Courtney Kahla
This is the audio transcript of my conversation with Dr. Courtney Kahla on the Very, Very, Quite Contrary Podcast.
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Janny: Hello, everyone and welcome. It's the Janny Organically Podcast, aka, the Very, Very Quite Contrary Podcast, episode 2. I've got Courtney with me. Courtney Kahla or as some of you might call her Courtney Kahla. I called her that for a while until I learned how to say her last name. Do you get that a lot, Courtney?
Courtney: All the time. If you just add a U in there, it's Kahlua, so I respond to all three.
Janny: I think that might be my new favorite one then, Courtney Kahlua.
Courtney: Thank you, thank you.
Janny: I had asked Courtney, if she would come on and help me launch the podcast. If you're listening to this, you've probably already heard the first one. This is in reverse because Samantha and I decided we needed to get our butts in gear and put out our response to the New York Times article about the global health threat and so that ended up being episode number one.
Courtney: Rightfully so, that was time sensitive and absolutely necessary.
Janny: It was time sensitive and so I was thankful that Courtney was willing to come on in general and then to do this in reverse and go like, “Okay. Now, that that podcast is out, this is why I'm here.” Courtney and I will talk a little bit about everything first of all, and then just talk about how our values align, how we are similar with each other and some ways that were different. Just everything in between because oddly enough I asked my readers on Instagram who do you want me to interview.
Janny: I had already asked Courtney weeks ago, but your name of course came up as a guest. I don't know if they had a specific topic in mind because we're gonna cover a multitude of topics today. It's just gonna be like we're hanging out and having a conversation and you guys are legally eavesdropping. How about that?
Courtney: Yeah. That's what I'm most excited about I think is that Janny and I are really good friends and we talk on a pretty consistent basis, and you guys are just getting a little peep into what our lives are like, and what we talk about, and share our hearts with each other.
Janny: Yeah. Also, I'm sure a lot of you are like this with your friends. Sometimes you don't even know what's the best way to reach them and you might do it via a voice message app. You might do it via text and maybe you FaceTime, direct message in Instagram, but yeah, we have all … All of those lines of communication are open.
Courtney: We do them all and at the same time. We have eight different conversations going at once.
Janny: It's so funny. I'll be texting you or sending you memes or stuff, or replying to your stories on Instagram, at the same time texting you about something totally different. It's like I'm talking to two different people. It's like we've got this one is a funny, jovial conversation and this one is more serious, but they're happening at the same time.
Courtney: Yup. That is our life.
Janny: Yeah. The podcast, the Very, Very Quite Contrary Podcast came about because my husband told me, he's like, “I don't read your blog post.” He's like, “I don't have the time.” He's like, “But if you did a podcast, I'd be able to listen to you when I'm on the road.” Because I came into this podcast world a little bit late myself, and listening, I realized, “Oh, I can listen to books or audio versions of stuff that I wanna learn about while I'm cooking, while I'm cleaning, while I'm driving." I'm like in a whole new world, mind-blown that I just didn't even realize what a benefit it was. Then on the flip side, I'm like, “If he actually gonna listen to these?” Because he hears me talk about all this stuff, all the time, so he's probably like, “I know this. Whatever.”
Courtney: Yeah, for sure.
Janny: The other thing, I know you and I both, Courtney have several deaf followers and they really appreciate our captions on our Instagram stories. With that in mind, one of the main reasons I'm going to be transcribing all of my podcast, so it will be, every podcast will be its own blog post over the transcription of the audio. Not just for that community although I'm hoping that they enjoy that, but also because as I've been learning listening to audio books and podcast, there's stuff I wanna write down. I'm like, “Oh, oh." I don't wanna have to remember that that's at minute 42 and go back and listen to it and write it down, that I can go back and do a keyword search and read it for myself or save that for later. I hope that is all helpful, that you guys like it and you won't get sick of my voice.
Courtney: I'm so excited to have you in my ear a little bit more than I already do. That means like my commutes will be filled with more Janny.
Janny: That's so nice.
Courtney: Yes, I love you, girl.
Janny: I didn't want to just ask, Courtney and be like, “Hey, can you come on and pump me up?” because compliments, they do make me uncomfortable.
Courtney: I was like, “Hey, Janny. Can I brag about you in this podcast episode?” You're like, “Not really.”
Janny: Maybe behind my back, I'd do that.
Courtney: No. You guys already know because you're listening. Janny is the real deal. She is as honest as they come. She is a truth seeker to her core. I trust her with my life. She is a very loyal and dedicated friend as well. I'm just happy that I get to be here with you, and be your friend and do life with you.
Janny: I am so thankful for you. I tell her all the time … Several of us, we joke because we know it's not really gonna happen, but maybe eventually it will. We all live in a community together. We would have a little village of … Courtney, would be our chiropractor. We could all cook for each other and take care of each other's kids and stuff. If I were to ever have another child, I'd be like, “Courtney, can you come be my Doula?”
Courtney: I know, man. Also, whenever I … I recently just pulled my community on Instagram and I was like, “Hey, who would you like to see takeover my Instagram? It was a resounding Janny.”
Janny: Which we both thought was interesting because I'm like don't we already … If you follow … Don't we all follow each other already?
Courtney: I remember maybe it was a year ago, there is that little quiz that you could do on Instagram, and it was like see who most of your followers also follow like how the communities overlap.
Courtney: Number one for me was Janny.
Janny: Yeah, same. We had the most in common followers. Interesting. They wanted to hear you on the podcast, so they just want double doses.
Courtney: We are just best friends and everyone loves it.
Janny: I hope you like listening to us talk to each other. Sometimes I'm like I wonder are our voices different enough that you can tell who's talking, but I'm sure they totally are. Courtney, is a lot more graceful and has a much more peaceful voice. I'm a little more brusque, a bit deeper.
Courtney: No. You just get really passionate. You get passionate.
Janny: When I get scared, I scream like a man. It's a very deep expression of fear.
Courtney: I just feel like we need a demonstration of this now.
Janny: It has to be authentic man. It happens all the time. I get scared very easily, first of all. If you tell me that you're coming, “Janny, I'm here. I'm coming on the corner,” and you come around the corner, it still scares me. There's still usually some expletives that come out.
Courtney: It's a little fight or flight response there.
Janny: I get mad because I'm like am I wasting my adrenaline? It's like I have no control over it, but it's just flying out of me.
Janny: Courtney, first of all, can you remember how we even met on Instagram?
Courtney: No. I really can't.
Janny: I can't remember who tagged you because usually that's what happens like you share somebody and you're like, “Oh, I'm gonna check them out,” and you're like, “I'm gonna decide to follow.” At some point, I'm gonna decide to interact with this person. I don't remember any of that happening. I don't remember where it all began.
Courtney: I don't either.
Janny: It's been a few years.
Courtney: It has been a few years and I had significantly less followers than you. You definitely already an established influencer. I think it was me finding you. How I found you, I have no idea. I remember I did, I think it was a measles outbreak post a long time ago.
Janny: It was probably 2014.
Courtney: Yeah. It probably was.
Janny: That doesn't sound like Dixie.
Janny: Is it Brandon?
Courtney: No. That would be really funny. No, we are watching my mom's dog which is a Corgi. If you wanna follow her on Instagram, her handle is Sadie, the almost Corgi.
Janny: Oh my gosh. That's so funny.
Courtney: She's a little happy.
Janny: You have a great dane, and that that bark, I'm like, “That's not a great dane bark.”
Courtney: Yeah, no. I do have a great dane. Her name is Dixie and she is currently right here in my armpit.
Janny: I think this is a good intro. Let's talk about armpits. Let's talk about armpits and deodorant, and smellage.
Courtney: I am obsessed with armpits. Anyone that meets me knows that. Janny, remember a year ago before you met me, you're really concerned that I was gonna smell really bad.
Janny: Well, because I understand the detox process and I do it, I try and do it once a year where you can do a recipe of bentonite clay. I don't know. You've got a spray that you use with, I don't know, apple cider vinegar.
Courtney: Rosemary and lavender.
Janny: As clean as I would eat, and as detoxed as I would get. I would smell fabulous using a nontoxic deodorant. If I don't wear a deodorant, I stink. Courtney is over here like, “I don't really need to wear deodorant.” I'm like, “Really? I'm gonna smell you. I will legit put my nose in your armpit.”
Courtney: I was like, “Bring it on. Come on.”
Janny: She didn't stink. She smelled like essential oils.
Courtney: Yeah. Most people say I smell like a garden, and I'm like, “That is the best compliment you could probably ever give me. Thank you.”
Janny: Yeah. You smell good. Why do people need to detox their armpits, Courtney?
Courtney: There are quite a few factors that cause body odor, and I think that's what's hard as people tend to source the most topical option first. We look into our deodorants. We look into the detox mask with a bentonite clay, but we often forget that the root cause of all those things is what are we putting into our body. The smell is just a response to what we're putting in. If we're filling it with a bunch of …
Courtney: Junk, yeah, nasty stuff. Then we're gonna smell nasty, but if we're fueling our body with nutrient dense foods then you really shouldn't have an off-putting smell. Now, there are different hormones can be a cause for body odor. I think that's probably more of the case with you as to like why you have some body odor stuff because of your hormone stuff.
Janny: Can we just say armpit odor when I sweat, when I glisten though?
Courtney: Oh, really?
Janny: I feel like no other part of my body stinks. It's just like when I do have a little bit of perspiration … Because I don't sweat either. I very rarely sweat. Now, my husband, if he's listening to this, he's laughing because he'd be like, “You don't workout. You don't actually do anything that requires sweating.” I remember going to spin class for the first time a few years ago, because I as a younger child, I would pass out before I would sweat.
Janny: It would be so hot, and my body has never cooled this stuff down. Nobody has ever been able to help me. You just don't regulate your body temperature that well. I still don't know. I mean, I do sweat but I remember being in spin class and pouring sweat. I'm like, “Oh, this feels good. It cools your body down.” I was full on 25 when it happened. It was very weird experience for me, and I was like, “I've been missing out on this.” That has never happened to me again.
Janny: I don't workout that hard. I tend to do more. I avoid things like hot yoga and that. I grew up in Palm Springs. I don't need heat. I had enough heat in my life.
Courtney: Yeah. I mean, I sweat lot. I'm adjusting people all day, so I'm usually sweating at my job the whole time. I feel like I'm just a sweaty person.
Janny: Interesting. Don't you have cold feet?
Courtney: I do have cold feet. I will get cold sweats on my feet.
Janny: I have hot feet most of the time.
Courtney: Yeah. That's really interesting.
Janny: Yeah. We were like we could just play footsie and even each other out.
Courtney: I know. I was like, “Janny, come warm my feet up.”
Janny: I don't know. I'm probably gonna get bombarded with emails telling me what's wrong with me. Why I can't sweat properly.
Janny: Let me just stop you right there though because I'm going to workout a little bit harder. I'm going to just see if that helps. If I need your help, I'll ask you.
Courtney: I think that's really important to bring up is we're known for being pretty, raw, honest and vulnerable on social media. It's hard. When we need help or advice, our communities are like the first place we turn to. Hey, we know that they've got some amazing information to share with us, but for the most part, we're just sharing our lives because that's like where we‘re at and we're not necessarily asking for help. I think that's what's been so hard about being so open about my fertility journey and struggling with fertility is that I'm constantly getting advice there. It's not what would best serve me right now.
Janny: Both Courtney and I, first of all, have more than one or two highly qualified trusted medical providers in life that have known this for a while, that know our history, that know our genetic makeup, that know our hormone levels, that have all this blood work on us, that know so much about us in context that they're working with us on a number of things that you aren't even aware of.
Janny: Just because we come on social media and share parts of us, it doesn't give you in context of what's really going on in our entire life. Again, like Courtney said we share parts of us that may help you not feel alone, might give you a starting point of things to ask your doctor about, but as far as like if we need help that we will say, “Hey, can you give me suggestions on this?” but otherwise it does get overwhelming. It's not like we're shut off to new information.
Janny: We are aware that there are multiple things for us to continue to learn , but when you mention something you get bombarded with hundreds. I'm talking hundreds of messages. It's just not feasible for us to actually go through all of those, and not feel overwhelmed and stressed about it.
Courtney: I know that it's always coming from a place of love and a really good place, but I think it's also important to note that how we address giving medical advice on our pages. It's like we don't do that. How we sought out these providers who know us and know our genetics and know our blood work and know all those important factors, you should also seek that out for yourself and not take the information that we're doing and just automatically apply it to your life. There's so many other factors that go into adopting these lifestyles and making these health changes. That's why we just advocate for every single person to take charge of their health.
Janny: Absolutely. I understand it's not within the budget of everybody to seek out a functional medicine, integrative, holistic doctor. What you can do, what you do have is the ability to listen to your body and to pay attention to the symptoms. If you do want to try something, I always advice people don't start too much at once. Don't change your entire beauty routine and your cleaners and try taking a bunch of supplements all at once, and then you're having a reaction. You don't really know where that's coming from.
Janny: I do advice people just do everything slowly, also from a budget perspective, but also to pay attention. Your body may not like turmeric and you're making Courtney's turmeric eggs. I don't know that there's anything wrong with turmeric or anybody, but just as an example. Just pay attention to little changes that you make and see if it makes you feel better, or if it makes you feel worse.
Courtney: Yeah, for sure. I'm curious, Janny are there things that you choose to share online and things that you choose not to share online? Where do you have this balance in your life?
Janny: Definitely, yes. I have things that I don't talk about, but I also try to make it a point as I know you do that we're not on social media to paint this picture that we have; we only share the good and we only share the stuff that makes us appear to be superwoman. We do share some vulnerable parts. Not so pretty moments, some transformative parts of us. Maybe even something that may irritate people like, “Uh, I thought you believe this. I can't believe that you're doing that?”
Janny: Everything leaves you open for either judgment. It can get a little confusing, but I am a very private person. I am an introvert and I value privacy. Whatever I decided to share, it's for a purpose, but the majority of what's going on in my life is not for public consumption. Which is weird because I can't seem to shut up on Instagram.
Courtney: I know. I'm so honored that I know your last name.
Janny: Oh, yeah. That's something that I definitely decided to keep off of the internet. I'm glad that I did. You just never know. When you have kids and you start talking about things that sometimes people get irritate with. I guess you just think, “Oh, you extend beyond you and your protection just …” I don't know. There's information on the internet you can't pull back in.
Janny: I never wanted to be at a point where I felt like, “Oh, can somebody find where my kids at school?” Courtney knows my last name, and she's not taking bribes.
Courtney: It took me a few years to even be able to get your last name.
Janny: I have fake names that I use online too. Not fake accounts, but when I order stuff, I never use my real name. I've never been … I don't know. I've never trusted the internet. When I order stuff online, my last name is not ever being used because somebody did mention to me though, “Oh, well, I found this link and it said duh, duh, duh, duh.” I'm like, “Yeah, that's fake. That's not my last name. I don't even care about that.” I remember back in the day … Were you around when we were on Periscope?
Courtney: Yes. I didn't really like Periscope.
Janny: Periscope was basically an Instagram live video, but it was its own app. It was live and people would join and you could ask comments and stuff. It was very big for about two months. Everybody loved Periscope and then it was like, “Okay. We're done with Periscope.” My husband came on Periscope and we were talking about how we met. Everybody was just so … They were just making fun of us because my husband and I met online on eHarmony on accident.
Janny: He was looking for a white and I was not looking for a husband. Let's clarify that. There were some things on there that drew me to him because I'm obsessed with the West Wing so he had posted that how much he loved Jesus, and that how much he loved the West Wing. I was like, “Oh, this guy is legit.”
Courtney: We got two things in common. All right.
Janny: Yeah, but two very important things. My name was Denise. My age was wrong because I think I was 25 and I said I was Denise and I was 27. When we did first talk, I'm like, “Oh, yeah. That's not my real name.” We started off our initial contact with basically a lie.
Courtney: Yeah. You Low-key catfished him.
Janny: I did use my real picture though.
Courtney: That's good.
Janny: But because my name is unique, I was like, “If I put my name, Janny in the city I was living, I'm like, they could find where I am.” This is how my brain works, and so I was Denise. That's how that works. How did you and Brandon meet? At college, right?
Courtney: Yeah. We both went to Abilene Christian University and he's two years older than me. I was a sophomore and he was a senior. He actually doesn't remember meeting me the first time. There's a few reasons there, but one of them being that it was the night for the sorority that I was pledging which it's called social clubs because it's a Christian university but it's basically a sorority. I was wearing a beard and a mustache. Just the most outrageous things like a squirrel costume probably. Just ridiculous stuff.
Janny: Okay. He gets a pass on that.
Courtney: He gets a pass because I really didn't look like anything or anyone. It was crazy.
Janny: This is your version, this is your in-person version of being somebody like Denise. You were just yourself?
Courtney: I was Nunu Ray. That's what I was called. He had no idea which Ray is my maiden name if you didn't know. I played collegiate volleyball and so I ended up coaching his rec league team. I knew his ex-girlfriend who was a really tall pretty blonde. I was this like athletic brown crazy, curly hair. I was like I would tie feathers and things into my hair.
Janny: Also tall though.
Courtney: Yes. I am tall. I just didn't really think I was his type, I guess you could say because I knew who his ex-girlfriend was. I also was making my own laundry detergent. I like to this very natural holistic lifestyle even in the dorms in college. I was just like, “This dude is not gonna like me.” I didn't get any of his flirting queues because I was like, I'm not a Barbie doll. He liked me. To this day, he's like, “I did not sign up to marry a hippie.” I'm like, “Dude, I told you on our first date that I made my own laundry detergent. You knew what you were in for. You just probably didn't know the extent of it.”
Janny: I was not like that when Charlie and I met. I thought I was living a cleaner lifestyle, but on a scale of zero to hippie, I was probably a two in comparison to what my life is now. Everything is evolved together. He's watched this transition. I remember telling him like, “You're gonna have to stop me when I cross … if I stop shaving my legs or I stop wearing deodorant …” that was one of the things. It's pretty funny.
Courtney: Brandon said his greatest fear is that I will stop shaving my armpits and my legs, and I'll just wanna move into the middle of the woods and not have any Wi-Fi or cellphone reception or talk to any human beings. I'm like, “No, man. I love community. Let's just build a community in the middle of the woods without any Wi-Fi.”
Janny: It's not like, I feel, there's anything wrong with people who don't shave their legs or their armpits, but it's physically uncomfortable for me. I don't know about you if you go a few days without shaving, I feel the trickle like it's going down one of those little mazes when I take a shower and it tickles me to the point of irritation. I'm like I have to whether it's winter, whether my legs are showing or not. I shave my legs for me because it's comfortable.
Courtney: See for me, shaving is actually more uncomfortable. My skin is so sensitive that usually every time after I shave my armpits or no matter what kind of hair removal I do on my armpits like I've tried it all. I've done laser hair removal. I've done sugar waxing. I've done conventional waxing like all the things. I will breakout in a rash and get itchy folliculitis-
Janny: Okay. I can understand that.
Courtney: … if I remove hair there. I probably shave my armpits like once a week in the summer if people can actually see my armpits. I have let it grow pretty long before. My husband really doesn't like it.
Janny: It doesn't bother you though?
Courtney: I honestly feel better with it. The only thing is that I get a little self-conscious because I know it's not accepted in society. In the winter if no one is gonna see my armpits, I just keep my arms down and I wear long sleeves. No one knows.
Janny: How would you feel, first of all being comfortable in your skin versus what is a societal norm? How do you balance expressing yourself how you're comfortable versus what makes other people comfortable?
Courtney: I know. I feel like in so many ways, I am so very true to myself and I do whatever I want to do no matter what society says, but I'm still just hung up on the armpit and hair thing. When I was in Europe I saw a girl wearing shorts and she had full leg hair and I was like, “You go, girl.” Over there it's more accepted. I get a little frustrated that society said, “Hey, women. God gave you this hair on you bodies for a purpose and we think it is more aesthetically pleasing if you remove it,” where our men get to just bare it all.
Janny: Yeah. I'm kinda with you. I don't know how I would feel about the armpit thing though. If I actually wanted to grow it, I don't. I won't be able to say like, “Oh, if I really wanted armpit hair, how would I feel from societal perspective?” If you already do that, keep doing it.
Courtney: If hair removal was comfortable or not painful or irritating for me, then I don't think I wouldn't think twice about shaving the armpits. Me, my dad, and one of my sisters, we just have some serious hair removal issues when it comes … Or just our armpits are so sensitive.
Janny: Your dad?
Courtney: My dad, yeah.
Janny: Just armpits though, not shaving his face?
Courtney: No, yeah. Just armpits. He actually is the reason I started using deodorant that didn't contain aluminum. He does not do anything natural, but he refuses to have aluminum in his deodorant. That's what spurred …
Janny: I would agree. Oh, is that what started it?
Courtney: Yeah. That's what did. Now, I just don't wear any … But I don't … Sorry, go ahead.
Janny: No. Go ahead. You don't what?
Courtney: I don't like just not take care of myself. I think that's a common misconception that it's like, “Oh, well. I just wake up and just put clothes on, and that's it.”
Janny: And be dirty?
Courtney: Yeah. I'm not dirty. I shower with water. I don't use any soap. If I have mud on my body, I'll use the Aleavia body wash, but I like to dry brush my armpits every day. I still do these things like take care of my armpits. I'm just not putting deodorant on.
Janny: Yeah. That makes sense. We were talking earlier about ways that Courtney and I are similar and one of the things that I completely align with is how seriously we take the people that we partner with and brands that we work with, and promote to you on social media or on our blogs is we get a lot of pitches. We do a lot of investigating work, and we ask a lot of questions not just ingredients and sourcing but who are you as a person? Why did you start your company?
Janny: How do these ingredients work together? Why did you choose these? What's your overall mission? Anything you can think of and beyond we take these very seriously before we go out and promote them, and use them and make sure that they work, and that they do what they say they do. We have a positive experience with them. Oddly enough, I said sarcastically, Courtney and I have landed on a lot of the same companies that we end up working with. It's not because these are the ones to choose from, A, with a lot of other bloggers in this community. You'll see that we probably talk about fewer products than everybody else.
Janny: We don't talk about every new release, every new beauty product, every new beauty box because we try not to be walking commercials. We try to promote more of a minimalistic lifestyle and to really talk about the stuff that is genuinely we think this is worth looking into and it might be a good investment for you, or your health, or an addition to your household. I was gonna talk about this particular brand, but did you have anything to add to that?
Courtney: Well, one day, I cleared out my email inbox which is rare. I was really proud of myself for doing that. I cleared it out.
Janny: Wait. Did you just delete them all or did you actually answered them all?
Courtney: I actually answered and responded to people which most of them were no's, but I didn't realize how many inquiries that I received for brands to work with and I know yours is the exact same Janny's since we have very similar audience. The next day, I had 85 emails that were not just responses to what I had previously sent. I had 85 pitches from people of different brands saying, “Hey, I wanna work with you. I wanna get my product in front of your community.” I was so overwhelmed and defeated because I was like, “I just cleared this out.”
Courtney: I think that puts it into perspective like when we share about these one, two, three, four, a handful of brands, it's like we're actually just looking around our house saying, “I use this every single day. I love it. I believe in this company. I bought it myself, contacting that brand saying, “Hey, I really wanna talk about this thing that I use and love every single day. Would you wanna sponsor this post and collaborate in partnership in this together?” It really is more of this lifestyle promotion than just a try a brand and, “Oh, yeah. That's cool.”
Janny: “Oh, yeah. I could use that. I'll take it for free in exchange for giving you some airtime on my feed.” I was gonna talk about another brand but when you mentioned sponsorships, and I wanted to go ahead and talk about this other thing because we both love this brand called Huut which is a bedding company and I think they now have towels.
Courtney: Is that how you say it? I never knew how to say it.
Janny: It's H-U-U-T. I only knew that because they had a picture of an owl, and it said, “Give a Huut,” like H-U-U-T. I'm like, “Oh, because I've been saying 'Hut'.”
Courtney: Me too. I've been saying Huuuuuut.
Janny: Oh really?
Courtney: Because of the two U's.
Janny: Yeah. I think I would just say in Huut.
Janny: Huut. A very long Huut. One of the questions we get a lot is about organic bedding because it's something that your body touches probably more than anything else in your home. You've heard that said, that you spend a third of your life on your mattress, the mattress is a concern. You know also, your sheets, but you also want your sheets to be comfortable, and I have gone through I know Courtney has too. We've gone through the bargain organic brands from target and Costco and wherever else they have.
Janny: I know I bought three or four different sets. They never lasted very long before they got scratchy and wrinkly. Some of them started falling apart. It actually didn't end up saving me money because it was a 40 bucks a set, $40 to $60 a set and they only lasted less than a year. Two or three washes before they got itchy.
Courtney: For our house, it's even way less than a year because we Airbnb. I'm washing before people come and I'm washing after so I'm doing double time I guess and every other week.
Janny: I didn't even start washing my sheets once a week until maybe five years ago. I don't even know. I'm probably embarrassed. I might have only washed them like once a month. I started to have some allergy issues and learn that dust mites are a huge deal. They thrive on a variety of things including your dead skin that comes off in your sheet. That's why they usually find them in your sheets and your bed is because you're rolling around.
Janny: I have committed for the past several years, I wash everybody's sheets, I say everybody but we've got multiple beds in here, sheets once a week in high heat and in both. I don't care. I want them killed. If there's any mites in there, I need to kill them. Anyway, the sheets need to withstand all of that. Huut had reached out because I have used, I don't know if you have, Courtney used a more higher end, more expensive organic sheet brand which are very luxurious and they're very wonderful. They are out of reach from a budget perspective of people.
Courtney: It's literally why I have never tried … I know what brand you're talking about and I have looked into them, and I have longed for their products, but I'm like with all the student loan that I have I just can't justify spending that much on bedding.
Janny: Yeah. They are expensive. Probably three times as much as Huut. When I looked at the Huut bedding, I thought these are pretty similar, but I have to test them. I used them and made them go through the washing machine. I may be tested them for six weeks before I was like, “Okay. These actually are holding up with how we use them and they're still soft.” They're way softer even initially to begin with from the bargain stuff and after all of that they're still worth the price.
Janny: They're just a lot more affordable than the luxurious brand but they're wonderful. That was one brand that we felt like that we really want to promote to our audience because it was more affordable and it fit our criteria. They're all fair trade and organic, and so soft.
Courtney: They are worth every penny. I didn't realize how uncomfortable the cheap ones were because that's all I'd use, cheap organic ones.
Janny: If you go and check out Huut, I think on Instagram, they're Huut bedding but now you know they're H-U-U-T, and their website is huut.co. Both of us have codes. I know I think I have a 25% off if you just enter JANNY. Do you have a code? Is it COURTNEY?
Courtney: Yeah, probably. Not too sure, but usually it's COURTNEY.
Janny: You guys can try that if you want it. also, you were talking about how to use Aleavia which has been what we've used in our house for, I think about five years at this point. Aleavia is not a soap. Maybe you can talk a little bit about why we … Because you would speak for me too. This is why we use Aleavia, why don't wanna use soap on our skin on a regular basis how Aleavia is different. Maybe talk about the microbiome a little bit.
Courtney: Yeah. I firmly believe that our microbiome is sacred, and I also believe that society is obsessed with cleanliness. What we're essentially doing with the constant antibacterial soaps and using any form of soap on our body is we are just disrupting and stripping that microbiome. Our bodies are more of an ecosystem. We have more microbial cells than we do human cells. These microbial cells that we have within our digestive tract on the surface of our skin have been around for thousands of years. They're passed on usually from the mother's vaginal birth canal, coding our body with the vernix all that kind of stuff. Really cool things.
Courtney: We strive to live in harmony with that ecosystem and so one of the ways that we do that is we choose not to use soap in our bodies. We use the Aleavia Body Wash because it is not soap-based so it is not disrupting that ecosystem. Also, I'm just so sick of this fear of the outside in of like, “Oh, I'm gonna catch XYZ from so and so.” It's like let's just stop fearing the microbes in our environment that can cause illness and just start increasing the health of the host, aka, you.
Janny: You, yeah.
Courtney: That's our whole take really on our immune systems and just how we care for our bodies to overall support and enhance our immune system.
Janny: Amen. The other thing about Aleavia which is great and this is not a continual ad although I wanna mention that Huut told me that they would sponsor this particular podcast. Just so you know when I talked about the transcription, it's about a dollar a minute and so they're basically paying for the transcription of this podcast so thank you Huut.
Courtney: Thanks, Huut. We love you.
Janny: With Aleavia, it's actually really good to travel with. I don't usually use the travel size that they have. I use just … We, us as a family, we travel with one bottle and you can … Depending on how long the trip is, you can actually use it as a shampoo. I've used it that way too, so shampoo, body wash, all in one and everything.
Courtney: Yeah. I use it as a shampoo because that's something to think about too is your shampoo, you're getting in your hair and then it runs all down your body as its washing, rinsing itself out and so that's also affecting and disrupting your microbiome.
Janny: All right. On that note with Aleavia, one of the things that you're avoiding with soap on your body would be something like a surfactant that you would find in a maybe conventional body wash.
Courtney: Yeah, totally.
Janny: I think there is some misconception about when you transition to something like a laundry detergent that it can be … People tend to go the opposite direction that they're breeding their ingredients. They're trying to be super clean. They end up buying a detergent that doesn't have a surfactant in it. It doesn't clean their clothes as well. You wanna talk a little bit about that?
Courtney: Yeah. This is a topic that Janny and I connected on years ago, I think. She actually wrote a really good Instagram post about it. It's in the depths of our feeds. You have to scroll down a little bit, but basically when it comes to laundry detergent, I started using … That was one of the first things I transition to a cleaner and I started using the soap berries. I used those for a solid year and our clothes smelled and felt horrible to the point where my husband was like, “This isn't worth it. I can't do this anymore. We need to just go get Tide.”
Courtney: We had this stripper clothes which I know you've gone through that process.
Janny: Oh, it's so bad. The thing is you don't know about it when it's happening. If your clothes aren't getting cleaned properly, you're not gonna notice it after the first or second load. It's usually, takes a few months of build up. Then you end up having to strip it which … Tell them about stripping? Talk about stripping, Courtney?
Courtney: It's just a really rigorous and annoying process. I don't like doing laundry in general. We used vinegar. What else? What did you use?
Janny: I actually used something more conventional.
Courtney: Did you really?
Janny: I used some of these diaper cleaning like the diaper pods.
Janny: But not diaper pods. They're pods for cleaning …
Courtney: Cloth diapers or something?
Janny: Cloth diapers and you have to get the water as hot as you can. It was back when I had a top loader which it was a lot easier but then some people will do it in their tub where they just let them soak all day in hot water with some sort of more like stronger chemical to really strip what the buildup is, and build up could be the soap from the detergent and then some of the dirt. I've tested out a lot of detergents as being a blogger and I've ended up having to strip our clothes and our sheets and our towels twice. It is an intense lengthy process. This is the stuff you don't hear about from bloggers is that when we test stuff, sometimes it ends up costing us a lot more in the end.
Courtney: I was doing the same thing like testing a bunch of laundry detergents and it was just destroying our clothes really because it's making them so gross. I just stripped with like … I think I did vinegar and baking soda or something. That's what I found online. I really don't think it worked that well, but why? Why soap actually cleans to your clothes is because of the molecules? Basically you need a surfactant because a surfactant has a hydrophilic part in a lipophilic part. Hydrophilic is water soluble and then lipophilic is fat soluble.
Courtney: That means it can attach itself to the dirt, but then also release itself into the water to actually remove the dirt and clean it away. You need a surfactant in your laundry detergent and you do not want soap because soap will actually attach itself to your clothes with the dirt and then stay there.
Janny: Yeah. That's when you start to see usually on the whites that there's some build up and it starts to get a little grimy and it's not as white and it's not as bright. You start to notice it overtime and then you're like, “Oh boy.” You're like, “Oh, I'm gonna jump out and get Tide. Even Tide won't properly clean it because they end up having to be stripped which you don't wanna do.
Courtney: Yes. Like washing machines in general are just like designed to be used with a detergent and not a soap. The soap just clings to everything. Even your porous clothes, it just attaches itself into all those little rivets. It's just a really gnarly thing to have to try to remove.
Courtney: What's your favorite laundry detergent?
Janny: Branch Basics.
Janny: That's so weird.
Courtney: So much synergy.
Janny: I do like … I always do … I use the Oxygen Boost directly in the drum with my clothes and I use the liquid and the little, whatever. Gosh, what's the word? You pull up the little drawer.
Courtney: You have a front-loading right now?
Janny: I do. It wasn't my choice. It was in the house when we got here.
Janny: I'm totally scared of mold and those front-loaders are designed to be closed and you don't want to close your front-loader. This is the PSA. Do not let your front loader door be closed ever especially right afterwards.
Courtney: Or the little drawer thing. That needs to be open too.
Janny: My husband was annoyed with that whole process because it's in the laundry stuff, It's in our mudroom. There's the front-loader and the dryers on top of it, and it's right at the door to the bathroom in the mudroom. In order to get there, you have to basically move the door that I leave open and then that's where Huck sleeps to the right, right in front of it. You have to go through a maze to get into the bathroom. He did this really fancy Velcro situation where the door is about 70% open. That was our compromise. It's always 70% open with this little Velcro attachment so that it's never closed.
Courtney: I loved that. I have a top loading one, thankfully.
Janny: We might replace that, but before when we did move in, I actually had somebody come out and test for mold in that room in there just because I was just so concerned about there being mold in there.
Courtney: Rightfully so.
Janny: All right. Outside of laundry and some products, there are a lot of people that may use the word authenticity like varies from person to person. What is being authentic mean to you?
Courtney: To me it's just being true to myself to my core. I think a lot of what comes with being authentic is being more familiar with yourself. You can tell when someone is not being themselves, when they're trying to be authentic, but it just doesn't feel right. You know what I mean?
Janny: It feels forced?
Courtney: It feels so forced. The more I get to know myself and understand myself, and the more in tuned I am with my body, then the more authentic, the more I'm able to communicate who I am which makes me the more authentic. Does that make sense?
Janny: Yeah, it does. One thing that I have felt as I've grown whether just as a person and in my faith is that I don't necessarily … I've seen that meme come around: "I like my people like I like my products, nontoxic" which I understand and you wanna surround yourself with people who are supportive of you. I don't necessarily want to surround myself with a bunch of exactly like-minded “yes” people that agree with everything that I say because people in my life that I trust that maybe our core values are the same or very similar, I learned a lot from, and maybe I am looking at something a little wonky. I do need people to hold me accountable. I do need people to disagree with me where I need to be called out on.
Janny: I'm not saying you need toxic people in your life, but I do think to an extent you need … If there's somebody in your life that what they say is brings out the worst in you, maybe that person is there to bring out the worst in you, like to get it out. Maybe you need to deal with that stuff in your life. I like to try and challenge people and remind myself that just because somebody makes me feel something, it doesn't mean I need to unfollow them on social media or stop being their friend but maybe first figure out why they're making me feel a certain way, and then maybe take the proper steps to either have some self-correction or maybe I do need to unfollow them. What steps do you take on unfollowing people because I know you've got some views on this?
Courtney: Yes. I take my newsfeed on social media which I'm mostly on Instagram so that's just like the one I'm gonna talk about. I take that newsfeed very seriously and I complete curate it so that when I'm spending time on that app, I'm filled with positivity, with education like things that I wanna learn about. If there's anything on there that makes me feel like I'm not doing enough or I'm not being enough, I unfollow. The thing is, usually it's not even about that other person, it's about me and where my heart is at. I'm very particular about what I allow to influence me whether that's the movies that I watch, the music I listen to, of what I'm taking in, I do my best to guard my heart.
Janny: Maybe we can talk a little bit about enneagram because we are … I talked to Samantha about this. She's a 1 and I'm an 8.
Janny: It's like this personality test if don't already know. It helps you see how you operate and maybe I think for the most part, it's more helpful to help identify with other people and maybe how they respond to situations. For me as an 8, there are people in my life that drive me crazy. There's things that people do that I don't appreciate. It's helped me understand like, “Oh, they're a 7 and this is how they're dealing with it. They aren't really saying what they mean. That doesn't mean that they're lying, it means that they are a little bit more uncomfortable with outright confrontation because I appreciate somebody being confrontational with facts and not beating around the bush. I don't like to be flattered.
Courtney: Yeah. It allows you to just show people more grace because it's like you have more understanding, and I think so much of conflict resolves around don't actually understand or we're not seeking to understand.
Janny: Yeah. Totally. I found myself in situations of like somebody texting me a question and I was really put off by it because of the way it was phrased and there was this martyrdom in it like they were requested to do something and, “Oh, woe is me.” I'm like, “That's gonna be an automatic no for me.” I'm like, “Wait a second. She's definitely more of a 9.” (or a 2 I don't know) I get those two mixed up. As I was telling you yesterday, “You're a 9” You're like, “No, I'm a 2.”
Courtney: I know.
Janny: I'm like, “Okay. She's coming from this place.” For me, it sounds like she's trying to be manipulative and I don't respond to that. I would rather you be out front and say, “I would like to do this because of this.” That's it. Don't try and create the situation that is gonna make you feel bad because I'm not gonna feel bad, because you're trying to make me feel bad. It's like I'm very resistant to that. As I'm working this out in my brain, I'm like, “Wait. This is fascinating.”
Janny: I forgot to respond to her, and then she texted me later saying, “Oh, never mind. I figured this out.” I was like, “Oh, crap.” Well, I guess I didn't have to deal with that but it was interesting to watch that play out in my brain of like, “Okay. I don't feel as irritated with her because I know that she's as a different personality type, this is how she's expressing herself. She's not trying to manipulate me. As somebody who is an 8, who is definitely more upfront, direct, I appreciate facts and just being to the point not wasting time.
Janny: I don't require as much grace in the approach. That's basically how I communicate with people. You, on the other hand, like we mentioned before, you have a much more peaceful demeanor and maybe you tend to guard your heart more with people that you follow in your newsfeed whereas I probably have a little bit more leeway with … You can be a little bit more in my face about something even if it offends me or even if I disagree with them. I'm just like, “Eh, whatever.”
Courtney: I'm so empathetic like even when I watch a movie, I put myself in that movie and it becomes real life, and I have dreams about it. Even in my newsfeed, I'm just so empathetic that there are things that affect me on a very deep level. I feel things very deeply. I do. I have very firm boundaries because as a two, it's very easy to be a people pleaser. I set very firm boundaries and I hold them really strong.
Janny: 2's, do you feel like in at an unhealthy level, they can be walked over like they can let people trample on them?
Janny: Take advantage.
Courtney: That's one of the words that whenever I'm not feeling very healthy comes to mind is I feel taken advantage of.
Janny: I feel like more and more so, I've seen even just on social media with you setting those boundaries like to your followers that you feel to me in more an healthy place because you're being graceful with your delivery. You're protecting yourself essentially. You're just setting up those boundaries to protect your heart and your emotions because it is more draining for someone like you than it is for someone like me. I might get drained by something totally different like feeling I need to fight a fight about vaccine hesitancy and go a whole week without sleep because I feel so important to right a wrong.
Courtney: Yeah. Well, when I am ovulating I become … Because that's when you're ovulating is whenever you're a heightened sensitivity, if you will. I am more aggressive and dominating like an 8.
Courtney: When 2's are in stress, they usually go to an 8.
Janny: Is ovulating a point of stress for your body?
Courtney: Yes and no. I would say no, not typically but I think because we've been trying to conceive for 15 months that it really has become something stressful, unintentionally.
Janny: Oh, yeah. You're like it's okay. You're up to that. It's your turn to do your thing, ovulation.
Janny: About ovulation, we both experience cycling with the moon.
Janny: I thought it was so fascinating. I've never felt more of a holistic badass than when I was completely in sync with the moon cycle. I would start my period on one day. It was like within four hours of the new moon and then I would ovulate with the full moon. This happened for several months and I'm like, “Man, I am just on fire.” I think with that came a little bit of egotistical … Not on purpose, but then something happened that I knew it happened and it threw me off. I feel I'm not exactly in sync with the moon anymore. You know what, that's okay.
Courtney: It is okay.
Janny: Let me just ask you maybe you can explain to people why is it that women tend to cycle with the moon or they can?
Courtney: Yes. First of all, I know this sounds very woo-woo and very new age-y, and I know that people are like, “I don't believe this, but just hear me out. Let me explain it.” The moon controls the tides of the ocean. Our bodies are at least 60% water. If we are in tuned with our environment the moon is going to affect our bodies. We see that. We see how it affects the ocean. Surely, it's going to affect our bodies. I think it's really, really cool and what I've seen with the women that I serve since I specialize in menstrual cycles is that when their body is functioning at an optimal level free from absorbing the stressors within their environment, they are cycling with the moon. I first experienced that this summer which would be three-and-a-half years … No, four years off of oral contraceptives for me. It took my body four years to get in tuned with its environment.
Janny: When cycling with the moon, would it be every 28 days or would one tend to migrate toward starting their period on the full moon or on the new moon? I know different sets of people who their cycle is different whether it's the full moon or the new moon, or is it just the moon cycling is more of a 28 day no matter what day of the month.
Courtney: Okay. There are two different ways. You can ovulate on a full moon or you can bleed on a full moon. If you have what's called a white moon cycle, that means that you bleed during the new moon so when it's very dark outside because there really isn't a moon. If you're on a red moon cycle, then that means that you're bleeding during a full moon. For me, I would bleed during new moons. I'm a white moon cycle.
Janny: The same.
Courtney: I ovulated during the full moon which is really actually when you ovulate during a full moon, it's really powerful for your ovulation. I thought that was so cool. Also all my friends in community group knew and so they were all whenever it was a full moon they'd be like, “Baby-making time.” I'm like, yeah.
Janny: That's so funny.
Courtney: I know.
Janny: Whenever I would start to act a little maybe overly sensitively ... aggressive, maybe, my husband would pull up moon cycle for whatever this month, and he'd be like, “Oh.” He's like, “Look at your period is coming in two days.”
Courtney: I didn't expect or understand how the winter cycles affect our menstrual cycles until I saw this synchronicity of okay, one month, I was ovulating and it was a full moon. I only knew that because we slept with our dark out curtains open and it was waking me up at night. The moon was so bright. I was like, “Oh, dang. I'm ovulating, weird.” We did that the next month and I was like, “Good, gosh. I cannot sleep. This moon is so bright,” and I was like, “I'm ovulating.”
Courtney: That's when I started to look at it more, but I will say I think our bodies are capable of jumping so right now I'm in between where I was ovulating with the full moon and I think my body is moving towards ovulating with the new moon. I'm like what you're saying where you are, where you're not ovulating with the full moon anymore.
Janny: Yeah. I'm five days off because I had something that set me off where I had … This is something that I'm not gonna share with my audience, but something happened. My period got thrown off, but now … I started yesterday, and yesterday was the 30th.
Courtney: The full moon was on the 21st.
Janny: Right. The new moon is on the 4th. I'm five days away from being where I was before.
Courtney: That's exactly where I am.
Janny: Really? You're five days off?
Janny: A couple months ago I was seven days off. I was like a week behind and now I feel like my body wants to get back on that track of the new moon. Your body is wanting to get into sync with the reverse. It sounds like.
Courtney: Yes. I think that's what's happening. I'm currently on day six of my cycle right now. I don't know I'm in between both, but I think it's moving toward ovulating with the new moon.
Janny: It's super interesting. We do know that it can come off just like on a new age-y but it's not. I feel like this is the way that God designed our bodies. If you just sit back and have no intervention and just watch it happen, and by no intervention, I mean you're not having an artificial period with any form of birth control that you can see some synchronicity happen. It's interesting. It's just fascinating to me.
Courtney: Someone being like, “It's a full moon. I'm ovulating,” and they're like, “Oh, that's just a little too new age-y, a little too out there for me.” I'm like, “New age-y or not, this is the fourth month in a row that this has happened.” I was like, “I fully believe in Jesus Christ.” I'm like, “This is happening.” I don't know what you wanna say about that, but I do believe that our bodies are intelligent, and I do believe that God created our body with intelligence and that we are filled with the Holy Spirit. I also believe that our earth and our environment is intelligent. Grass grows, trees grow. All these things.
Janny: I believe that we're designed to work in harmony with our environment and so even saying that you wanna go outside and walk in the ground, to do some grounding to walk in the grass, to walk in the dirt. Even that can sound new age-y to people. I'm like you know what, new age-y is more about, I guess maybe just thinking a little bit differently. Maybe that's your perspective what new age is, but sitting at a computer on a desk all day with artificial light and electronics is not natural.
Courtney: Janny, I just always look back to creation like how were our bodies created and I firmly believe that the greatest science of all is the science of normal human physiology. That is how God created our bodies. I just look back to how are we created to live and function. Sure, we're not cavemen anymore. You know what I mean? Sure, we've evolved but I don't think that we are created to sit at a desk all day long like you're talking about.
Janny: You were designed to go live in the wilderness, in the woods where …
Courtney: With my armpit hair.
Janny: Yeah, with your armpit hair. We are designed to be in community.
Janny: We are designed to be outdoors getting our sun with our feet in uncontaminated glyphosate free soil and picking the food and eating it and not stressing out about every little thing that we totally consume. We're eating stuff that's in season and we're sleeping with the … What is it called with the circadian rhythm, all that? There's so much wonderful things that can come out of removing some technology and just letting the earth do its thing.
Courtney: One of the things I always think is about so the greatest source of negative ions, if you wanna talk about in from a … I wanna say anatomical. That's not right. I guess it's molecular level. Greatest source of negative ion is a waterfall. Waterfalls produce negative ions.
Janny: Negative meaning good.
Courtney: Yeah, negative is good. Then sources of positive ion are electronics, your cellphone, your TV, your laptop, those things. People are always like, “What does a salt lamp do?” I'm like it emits negative ions which is like a waterfall. I mean, it's not as strong as a waterfall, but that's what they do. That's how our earth is created.
Janny: It's really good to open up your doors right after the rain because the rain will create a more negative ion atmosphere and you can bring that indoors and cleanse out any positive …-Too much … It's so funny to say like, “Clean out those positive ions.”
Courtney: I know.
Janny: Positive ions hurt the ones that you want. Just maybe one quick thing before we wrap up because I know we've already gone on for so long. Maybe we can just close on preserving our energy.
Janny: I know you have some great thoughts about this.
Courtney: Yeah. I take my time. I guess the thing is I'm not very money oriented or money driven, I'm more time oriented. For me to donate my time means more than for me to just write you a check. I just take my time very seriously and that also being I take my downtown very seriously. I think especially being an enneagram 2 where I'm serving people. That's what I love to do and I feel loved when I'm helping people. I have to set the boundary of preserving my energy so that I'm able to continue to serve the community at that high capacity without feeling taken advantage of or completely draining myself.
Janny: Yeah. You can't pour from an empty cup.
Courtney: Yeah. I think that's so often gets misconstrued within the self-love movement. It's like, “Hey, that serving others is actually a really great form of self-love.”
Janny: No, it totally is and my husband and I were just talking about we need to go through a list of what our family values are because Sawyer has been asking some pointed questions about this stuff. She observed things in our house and she hears things at school. She's like, “What about this?” It's probably time for us to be very direct about what our values are. Charlie is like, “What are our values?” He's like, “I'm probably gonna have some that you might not agree with. We need to really sit down and get on the same page about these so we can communicate them to her effectively.
Janny: One of them even if we look in scripture about if you take the first two bigger commandments is loving the Lord your God with all your heart and soul, and mind, and strength, but number two being love your neighbor as yourself. That's two pieces there. That's love your neighbor as you love yourself. There's this balance between taking care of yourself which is an act of sacrifice in of itself and then how you treat other people. It's a tricky balance to know where is that sacrifice gonna come from in terms of self-preservation and self-care and giving oneself to care for others.
Janny: For everybody, that's going to be different and it's tricky to even communicate for me and Charlie to each other because we're totally different people. Maybe the enneagram will help us understand that we need to trust each other to know that you know what, I can't go to that event or I can't do this to serve somebody else because I feel like it's gonna completely … I don't have it in me. It's not self-preserving. Not that I don't want to do it or not that. I don't feel like it's worthy but I don't have that much gas.
Janny: Anyway, it's a lot to do with being in tuned with, again, your values and what you know as a person you can do and not judging other people because they didn't donate as much time as you did or compare yourself you didn't donate as much time as they did because we all are doing our best.
Courtney: Yes. I still remember the conversation my dad had with me when he shared our family's core values with me. I carry those with me to this day. I'm really excited for you guys to have that conversation with Sawyer.
Janny: Yeah. We're excited because we actually have that conversation pre-Sawyer. We used to have a family what we wanna accomplish this year, and family me and him. We'd have different categories of values. We haven't done it since she was born. I'm sure a lot of them are the same and maybe some are gonna be different now because she's involved in it.
Courtney: Yeah, for sure.
Janny: All right. On that note though, we have things to do today. We're gonna end our conversation because we're gonna preserve our time and go where we need to go to get things done and take care of ourselves and the families.
Courtney: Yeah, absolutely. That work-life-balance.
Janny: Absolutely. All right, Courtney. Thanks so much for spending time and donating your voice and your thoughts and your heart with this podcast.
Courtney: Thank you, Janny. I'm so honored to be here. I just love you girl and I love your community too.
Janny: I love you too.
Janny: Thanks for joining and listening in to our conversation. We know it covered a variety of topics and we mentioned several products. Again, like we mentioned there will be a blog post with a full audio transcript of this podcast. If you go on to jannyorganically.com you can search for the word, Courtney. I'm sure that will come up. Also, if you're listening to this fairly recently to the air date then I'm sure it will be one of the first blog post that you see directly on the website.
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